再论梅西安的音乐创作--与克劳德·塞缪尔先生的访谈录

On Messiaen Music Creation-Conversation with Claude Samuel

法国音乐评论家、记者克劳德·塞缪尔曾在法国电台从事法国音乐与文化类节目的制作,他还是梅西安与罗斯特罗波维奇国际音乐比赛的创始人,在报刊杂志上发表了大量的音乐方面的文章,出版的著作有《普罗科菲耶夫生平》、《里盖蒂评传》与《梅西安:音乐与色彩》等。自1959年以来,塞缪尔一直跟踪采访梅西安,留下了宝贵的记录。文章是作者于2009年带着研究梅西安过程中的产生的感想和些许疑惑,采访塞缪尔先生,相信他所说的内容能为进一步认识与了解梅西安提供更多的视角。

Claude Samuel is French music critic and iournalist. He produced broadcasts, mainly of con- temporary music for the ORTF from 1960 to 1988, becoming director of music in 1989. He published a huge of articles on music in newspapers and periodicals ; his writings include Prokofiev （Paris, 1960, 2/1995 ; Eng. trans. , 1998）, Entretiens avec Olivier Messiaen and Gyorgy Ligeti in Conversation With Peter Varnai, Josef Hausler, Claude Samuel and Himself. Samuel has been following interviews with Messiaen since 1959, and le{t a valuable record. This article is an interview with Samuel in 2009, while the authors had some doubts and thoughts in the process of studYing Messiaen, and the authors believed what Claude Samuel said could offer more viewpoint for further learn and understand Messiaen.