摘要
"Pessimism of the intellect,optimism of the will"replied Immanuel Ness,Chair of the New York Peace Council and a professor of political science at Brooklyn College of the City University of New York in the United States,when asked about his take on the future of China-U.S.relations after Donald Trump takes over the U.S.presidency in January 2025,in a recent interview with Bejing Review reporter Ma Miaomiao.Edited excerpts of their conversation follow.